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Chuck Taylor
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Big lies told time and again are still lies.
No one's constitutional rights are being denied. Not their 1st Amendment rights and not their 2nd Amendment rights. These are the repetitious lies of the far right.
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Fascist like canceling free speech.
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Charleston Cav
01/11/2021 3:44PM
Can't yelll fire in a theater.
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aint2Hokie4me
01/11/2021 5:31PM
I'd say it's more you can't open a theater that serves as home base to a
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 5:48PM
Well, I think we now know which Sabre posters had Parler accounts. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:21PM
There is no right to free speech on a private website. **
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SixerHoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
If you are going to make this point, a better framing would be suppressing
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RML Hoos
01/11/2021 5:01PM
I would say advocating violent revolution is no less than yelling fire
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111Balz
01/11/2021 5:25PM
By the way, did you read the interview at Reason with the
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:03PM
Not yet, will look for it. **
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RML Hoos
01/11/2021 5:12PM
I'll be interested. It's a fairly long interview. Well worth reading
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:13PM
Sentence fragment
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TomGlansAski
01/11/2021 4:58PM
Big lies told time and again are still lies.
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Chuck Taylor
01/11/2021 4:53PM
Charleston, you think it would be less “fascist” if the Trump admin tried
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hoolstoptheheels
01/11/2021 4:43PM
So...you're Antifa now? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:43PM
Mussolini and Hitler loved it. Did you have someone else in mind? **
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Slider
01/11/2021 4:37PM
Lame take. Care to expand?**
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THECZAR
01/11/2021 4:35PM
LOL. It's as free as the free market gets
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Fuzzy Dunlop
01/11/2021 4:33PM
No free speech has been canceled **
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111Balz
01/11/2021 4:25PM
More like market forces prefer to cancel fascists from their private
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:23PM
TOS agreements don't care about your feelings. **
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BDF444
01/11/2021 4:13PM
Can you elaborate? Which free speech has bee cancelled?
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Capital City Hoo
01/11/2021 4:05PM
I would say take a good look at what is happening and ask yourself, would
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:13PM
Not a fan of the free market, I see. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:00PM
Oh i am
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:06PM
How is this any different from being fired from your job
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:17PM
Here is how i would say it is different
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:32PM
Why is censorship legal then?
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:37PM
Im sure there are a ton of things that go into it that i dont know about or
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:45PM
Does it bother you that you can see any cig adds on TV anymore?
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 6:06PM
Banning curse words is actually included here:
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 09:55AM
With cursing I am talking
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Zhoo
01/12/2021 09:59AM
Yes i realize that, but i dont think it is protected as shown in the
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 10:01AM
There's no "maybe" about it. That is *exactly* what happened. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:41PM
I havent read articles to know exactly what happened
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:42PM
Then surely AWS has a right to decide who to do business with, no? **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:09PM
The ACLU has issues with this situation. i thnk that kind should ring an
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:26PM
Read my post below about the ACLU. You don't seem to understand how they
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:27PM
Read mine. i do and i think its an important caveat to the this situation
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:41PM
Twitter has lost 5 billion in market value since it banned DT.....
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:46PM
Could you please get smart enough to understand that
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:57PM
That is just a sad retort **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:02PM
Well boo hoo then new hoothat**
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:03PM
LOL this is very very sad
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:13PM
Again. Just boo hoo. New hoothat. Gonna pull an all nighter
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:17PM
New hoothat!?! Oh the irony. Do you not recall the ongoing brawl between
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hoolstoptheheels
01/11/2021 5:25PM
Gonna make that next meeting at Burger King on Broad very different. **
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Hoodafan
01/11/2021 5:33PM
Starbucks for me:) **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:37PM
Of course it is, you latte liberal. :-) **
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Hoodafan
01/11/2021 5:39PM
Maybe shen would actually show up ;) **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:34PM
Are you still arguing that Amazon is violating someone's freedom of speech? **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:17PM
What does any of that have to do with Fascism? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:37PM
LOL- please tell me you're joking?
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Capital City Hoo
01/11/2021 4:31PM
I think anyone inciting violent protest on social media is fire in a
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:44PM
Are you suggesting that there's some kind of basic right to social media?
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:02PM
You sure about that? AWS "owns" half the internet right? there are only so
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:15PM
If you, Parler, or the ACLU want to bring monopolization claims against
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:20PM
Amazon did not claim Parlar was, itself, inciting violent protest.
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:56PM
What about this?
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:00PM
I think it assumes something that might not be real
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Beerman
01/11/2021 5:11PM
I dont disagree with this one at all. i am all for neutrality and kind of
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:28PM
"Free speech" only applies to state action. This is capitalism, baby.
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:25PM
Then we should just cancel twitter and all social media by that definition
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:31PM
If Twitter decided it wanted to ban all political speech on its platform,
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:35PM
My point is you and so many appear totally fine with parler being completel
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:46PM
I don't think conservative content is the reason they are being shut out of
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:53PM
If everyone on parler is acting that way, burn it down. but as i understand
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:58PM
The problem is that Parler violated its terms of service with AWS.
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
I think the issue is that no one suddenly wants them. as i understand it
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:23PM
No one wants to host an ISIS recruiting site either, for exactly the same
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 6:04PM
Thats a bit of a stretch comparison **
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 09:52AM
Flashback to ISIS Twitter of the middle 2010s
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hoodeyo
01/11/2021 11:49PM
That reason nobody wants Parler is because they have not put proper
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:34PM
And this may be the end all be all of it. hopefully they do what needs to
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:38PM
That's the thing, though - no group is being denied free speech.
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:45PM
I do not completely agree with your stance though it is not wrong by any
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:50PM
There was no free speech before Parler.
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Yeah that 1st amendment just popped up out of nowhere **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:10PM
I'd say Jeff Bezos should not be required to publish Parler's
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Murder and insurrection cross the line **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:52PM
Then shut down twitter bc an awful lot of it is on twitter too **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Not anymore **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Why is this so hard to understand **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:27PM
It's mind boggling, really. It's a pretty simple concept. **
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CyberHoo78
01/11/2021 4:58PM
Reading shit on Earth 2 and posting it on Earth 1 can make a person
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Molina
01/11/2021 4:48PM
Because I'm an idiot? **
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FfxStationHokie
01/11/2021 4:29PM
Hey now, idiots matter. **
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Guy LeDouche
01/11/2021 5:08PM
Free dumb, baby **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:43PM
I get the free speech absolutism, but this is the equivalent of fire in a
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:23PM
I dont feel sorry for anyone. i feel sorry for what we have become. free
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:27PM
I get your point, but I have a hard time arguing that there isn't
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:42PM
I think its a bit more macro. as i understand it, parler came about bc
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:55PM
I am certainly not a tech guy, and I won't pretend to understand the
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:07PM
I feel like that fact that the ACLU is getting involved on some level lends
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:20PM
Do you understand how the ACLU works? If so, you know they file on behalf
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:25PM
I do know but at its core they file based on violations of civil liberties
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:36PM
You keep saying "The ACLU is involved; that MEANS something!". But it just
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:39PM
The ACLU has their own agenda, and it is probably more aligned with your
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:25PM
I hope youre right and this all works out. im just skeptical that it will
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:39PM
BTW, everytime is see you post, I think the ftw stands for Fort Worth. **
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:47PM
I prefer for the win to seem clever but its just my initials. **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:50PM
I figured. its just the Texan in me **
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 6:06PM
Trump cannot hold any more press conferences **
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FfxStationHokie
01/11/2021 4:12PM
He doesn't know, he just heard it on Fox. **
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81_Hokie
01/11/2021 4:10PM
Good thing there is the Soapbox, eh? **
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Guy LeDouche
01/11/2021 4:00PM
Be careful. "Don't tread on him." **
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Blah
01/11/2021 4:01PM
There is free speech...but then you get called names by the meanies :>) **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 4:01PM
Oooh, that sounds like grievance! **
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TomGlansAski
01/11/2021 4:55PM
Poor thing lost his Parler account. #Smh #Tragical **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 3:59PM
That actually is concerning. everyone just decided that parler shouldnt
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:15PM
Hahahaha, if only they had built their own platform and not relied on AWS!
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:26PM
Do you even understand what that means? there are like 3 carriers in the US
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:30PM
Isn't what you're saying here is that: hey, private company X, you MUST do
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CyberHoo78
01/11/2021 5:04PM
In fact, a policy like that would violate the very free speech he claims to
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:32PM
Not at all. but the fact that a conservative twitter (?) suddenly has no
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:18PM
Are you mad at the TownHall guys for banning your boy? Same difference,
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Is this really the road you think you can go down with me? feel free to try
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:50PM
It's a question, not an attack. Websites sensor people who threaten others
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Wait
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:02PM
Hahah, your post makes a lot more sense now. Yes, I meant
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 5:41PM
My apologies RQ. totally misread it. do you like how shen is calling me the
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:42PM
Took the words right out of my mouth. Fuck em **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:32PM
Yeah thats not helpful. everything swings back around so how will you feel
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:41PM
If their product is worthwhile, they’ll come back
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:49PM
That would also be twitter.... **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:51PM
I saw that an aclu lawyer might be defending Parler here
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:24PM
I don't think that's it at all. The app stores have a TOS for developers
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chuck-fu
01/11/2021 4:22PM
No one gave a shit before last wednesday. now suddenly it matters? that
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:24PM
Ha- really? You don't think that the threat going from being 'theoretical'
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chuck-fu
01/11/2021 4:30PM
I dunno, congressional hearings that have been happening for years while
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Exactly - armed attacks on Congress might be a reason to shut it down. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:27PM
There have been reasons to shut it down for a long while before last week
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:33PM
I disagree - only other event might be the Michigan governor kidnapping.
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:44PM
Priorities, man. Big Tech is a fertile ground for discussion, but we got
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 3:56PM
Are you talking about the bakery not allowing a gay wedding cake? **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 3:53PM
Oh man, so even cakes can be gay these days? what's next? **
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CAVern
01/11/2021 4:03PM
Gender reveal cakes are the worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 4:11PM
I know. First it was right wing GOP congressmen, and now cakes. **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 4:04PM
Hippos **
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SCHOO
01/11/2021 4:00PM
I think he's talking about gov't funded medical facilities being prohibited
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81_Hokie
01/11/2021 3:57PM
According to Dr. Treadmill, "that's different." **
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Blah
01/11/2021 3:56PM
I'd say you're gonna feel stupid when you find out he's not me...
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 4:19PM
Hey, it's Dr. Treadmill. **
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Blah
01/11/2021 4:51PM
Derp. **
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 4:57PM
Is that a treadmill brand? **
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Blah
01/11/2021 6:29PM
It's the sound you make as you grunt another thoughtless, stupid reply. **
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 7:47PM
So a private company must state what the government wants?
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 3:52PM
A private company that defended itself for not banning people and not
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:17PM
The people whose speech is being suppressed can go elsewhere
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:20PM
Thats not how free speech works when the place they went is now not allowed
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:21PM
In theory, Parler can go to a non-AWS provider. **
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:25PM
How many of those are there? i have no clue how many there are that can
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:32PM
Here’s what I saw
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:40PM
And that is completely correct. if the ACLU is on that side then that says
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:48PM
AWS owns about half the internet
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:37PM
Well that is a problem in and of itself from a monopoly standpoint **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:47PM
How dare they?!?! Let's storm the US Capitol!!!
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Blah
01/11/2021 3:51PM
You should probably reread the text of the 1st amendment **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 3:50PM
Something about Congress making a law..... **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:54PM
Comgress shall pass a law forcing private
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:01PM
Hopefully social media does not turn into College Campuses, but we will see **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 3:48PM
Wait. You can no longer advocate murder
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 3:55PM
So you dont believe in free speech if the speech isnt something you agree
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:18PM
Don't be stupid. Forcing a business to publish your preferred
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:41PM
The ACLU is on the side of parler. what does that tell you
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:52PM
Tough titty. **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:55PM
It tells me you are on the wrong side on this one.
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:59PM
Sure you are a facist as well as stupid **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:12PM
Probably not in your semi literate manner new hoothat **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:14PM
LOL **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:28PM
Riff his line intentionally **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:33PM
Yes only hoothat ever typed LOL.....LOL **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:41PM
Then, well played! **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:54PM
You can’t yell fire in a crowded movie theater. You can’t falsely accuse so
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111Balz
01/11/2021 4:30PM
This is the speech that is not protected
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:36PM
But consider that Trump wanted to pass legislation
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
It seems to me that both parties have serious issues with these tech
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:25PM
And this used to be a free country. **
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southdenverhoo
01/11/2021 4:07PM
Maybe stop calling for death to Pence or give instruction
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:50PM
You did hit on a good point there but
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:20PM
In normal times maybe. Not right now when they are continued calls for
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:25PM
That deserves censorship...but definitions can be expanded...thus the word
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 3:54PM
Point taken. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:56PM
You have worked for the government too long to know
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 3:48PM
When you get the same powerful corporations you've been in bed with to do
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HokieDan95
01/11/2021 3:47PM
You mean like orange and Twitter? orange and Oil/Gas? orange and Coal?
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HoosQ
01/11/2021 4:09PM
ANTIFA’s not here, man. **
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Molina
01/11/2021 3:46PM
Private companies are now considered fascist? **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:46PM
Fascism involves a tight bond between private companies and govt **
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HokieDan95
01/11/2021 3:49PM
The party of big business is now afraid of big business. tough to get out
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:05PM
It’s anarchy. Cats and Dogs living together. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:09PM
Solyndra? (sorry...wanted to bring back on oldie) **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 4:02PM
Would you say you’re anti-fascist? **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 3:55PM
Name which government agency asked for these companies to act as they did**
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:51PM
The deep state. **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 3:56PM
You mean the Global Socialist Conspiracy? They're Fascists now too?!?!?!? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Right always forget about that one. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:57PM
Charleston Cav hates socialism but the thing that really pisses him off is
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Molina
01/11/2021 3:47PM
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